~ Deja Vu ? ~

I thought these comments from Kirk regarding Dr. Kim Rossmo and his experiences, that eerily mirror what appears to be taking place in Jeff Davis Parish, warranted a seat “up front”.  It’s a rather long read and an older case but, if you have the time it’s worth it….

Kirk Menard, on March 13th, 2009 at 7:49 PM Said:

Sorry for this long copy and paste but I’ve posted this on another website and some of you have seen this post. I believe its worthy of posting on this site. Tell me if it seems familiar:

Dr. Kim Rossmo

Dr. Kim Rossmo

Vancouver police kept mum about a possible serial killer preying on women because of stubbornness and the high cost of tracking him, former detective inspector Kim Rossmo charged yesterday.

Rossmo, the plaintiff in a wrongful dismissal trial against the police force, testified his expertise as a doctor in criminology was routinely dismissed by VPD investigators working on the case of 20 to 30 women who’ve gone missing from the city’s skid row since 1998. Most of the missing women are prostitutes.

Rossmo named Deputy Chief John Unger — one of two defendants in the case — as his principal nemesis during a five-year stint when Rossmo piled up awards and garnered prestige for the VPD for his ground-breaking work in the field of geographic profiling. He accused police Inspector, Fred Biddlecombe, of being a roadblock in the investigation of the missing women.

Rossmo said the major crime division froze him out of its investigation, even after he was called to a meeting in November 1998 to look at the missing women case. He said Biddlecombe “threw a small temper tantrum” when he was brought in. “Inspector Biddlecombe threatened not to send people to meetings, or share information,” Rossmo testified.

At the time, he said, he suggested going to the media, partly to save the department any embarrassment if it was proven a serial killer was operating, as Rossmo still suspects. “I suggested [telling the media] there is a possibility a serial killer is at work on the Downtown Eastside,” he said, adding that his suggestion was immediately shot down. “One positive was that a major crime [division] tried to locate as many missing as possible.”

Although he never used his geographic profiling talents on the case, Rossmo said the experience was like being on a 747 jetliner when someone tells the pilot there’s smoke in the cabin. “If the captain says, ‘Prove to me there’s a fire,’ you know he’s either a fool or incompetent.”

Rossmo said he was not alone in his feelings that not enough has been done to solve the missing-women case. “Many people in the VPD feel the same about this — frustration.” He cited sex, race and the low social status of the missing women as reasons the VPD went slow, likening the situation to the story of the emperor’s new clothes. “For 18 months, women mainly in the sex trade were disappearing,” noted Rossmo. “If you have a serial killer running around, you have to do something about it. Nobody wants to do anything.”

Deputy Chief Unger and Chief Terry Blythe declined to comment on Rossmo’s bombshell. They are witnesses in the case and it would be improper for them to talk to the press before giving their testimony.

Ex-Cop Says He Suspected Serial Prostitute Killer

Courtesy of BCTV

Between 20 and 30 Women Have Disappeared

VANCOUVER, 2:48 p.m. PDT June 21, 2001 –Vancouver police say there’s still no evidence a serial killer is on the loose in the city’s downtown east side, where 30 women are missing. The issue came up again as part of a wrongful dismissal suit by Kim Rossmo, who developed a geographic profiler program for the police before he lost his job.

Rossmo suggested a repeat killer may be to blame for the missing women, who worked in the sex trade. But, Detective Scott Dreimel says they didn’t have evidence of that three years ago, and things haven’t changed. If they do, he says the public will be first to know. He also denies Rossmo’s allegation the police dragged their heels on the investigation into the missing women.

Dreimel says there are several reasons why it’s gone on so long, including the length of time before a prostitute is reported missing. He says because they work on the street it’s hard tracking down witnesses and leads.

VANCOUVER (CP) — A task force should have been formed to investigate whether a serial killer was preying on women in the gritty downtown eastside, a former geographic profiler with the Vancouver police department suggested Monday.

If we believe, with any degree of probability, that we have a predator responsible for 20 to 30 deaths in a short period of time, do you think our response was adequate?” Kim Rossmo asked during a civil trial. Rossmo, 46, is suing the Vancouver police board and deputy chief John Unger for wrongful dismissal.

The trial has heard allegations that an “old boys network” controlled the upper ranks of the police force and refused to accept Rossmo’s controversial promotion in 1995.

At the time, Rossmo had become Canada’s first police officer to graduate with a doctorate degree. He earned a PhD in criminology at SFU, where he developed geographic profiling, a computerized crime tool aimed at detecting serial rape, arson and murder.

Rossmo had received an offer from the RCMP to become an inspector and set up a geographic profiling unit. Then-city chief Ray Canuel promoted Rossmo to detective-inspector from constable and allowed him to set up a geographic profiling unit, which won the department international acclaim and awards. Rossmo said Monday that 10 senior officers resented his promotion and acted negatively toward him during his five years as an inspector. One of those was Inspector Fred Biddlecombe, who was in charge of the major crime section, he said.

Rossmo said Biddlecombe threw a minor temper tantrum when he suggested in 1998 that police should assess the extent of the problem of women disappearing from the streets of the downtown eastside. Forty have vanished since 1971, including 16 between 1995 and 1998. Rossmo suggested the public should be told about the possibility of a serial killer, but Biddlecombe instead denied publicly that a serial killer existed.

Families of women who disappeared from the city’s tough downtown eastside met yesterday to remember their loved ones as the civil trial of a former police officer who investigated the disappearances continued. A crowd of 50 people gathered in a waterfront park to lay flowers near a bench dedicated to the missing women, many of whom worked in the sex trade. The cases date back to 1984, although the majority of them vanished in the past five years.

“It doesn’t go away,” said Valerie Hughes, whose sister, Kerry Koski, went missing in January 1998. “Maybe for the mayors and the Chief of Police, but not for us.” Earlier that day, Hughes stood with six others outside a Vancouver courthouse and told passers-by she believes a serial killer is responsible.

Vancouver police officially reject the suggestion. But former police officer Kim Rossmo supported it while he was a senior officer. He wanted to warn residents about the possible threat. Rossmo is now involved in a wrongful dismissal trial against the force in B.C. Supreme Court.

Last week, he testified he wanted to issue a public warning in 1998, but other officers strongly objected. The force issued a news release saying police did not believe a serial killer was behind the disappearances. Hughes disagrees. “These are marginalized women and they’re being fed to the depraved or sick mind of a serial killer,” she said.

In May, the RCMP and two Vancouver police officers joined forces to review the missing women’s files in search of possible links. But, the study is still at a beginning stage and it’s too early to comment on possible leads, said RCMP spokesperson Danielle Efford.

Dorothy Purcell, who stood with Hughes outside the courthouse, said the investigation has already taken too long. She said it took police two years to call her for an interview about her missing daughter, Tanya Holyk. “By then, the trail was cold,” said the soft-spoken woman.

Kirk Menard, on March 13th, 2009 at 7:56 PM Said:

Here’s another reply about the B.C. Serial Killer case worked by geographical profiler Dr. Kim Rossmo:

The mother of a woman who went missing in Oppenheimer Park in late 1998 feels her daughter might still be around if police had issued a warning that a serial killer could be operating on the Downtown Eastside. “I think it might have made a difference,” said Deborah Jardine, mother of Angela Rebecca Jardine, one of 31 women who have disappeared since 1995 in the area. “The women would have taken extra precautions, including my daughter.” Jardine said she felt police didn’t take her daughter’s disappearance seriously enough. “I was told it wasn’t a serial killer, that she just disappeared and started a new life somewhere. I’ve said all along it was a serial killer or killers.”

Jardine was commenting on testimony at a B.C. Supreme Court civil trial Wednesday in which a former senior Vancouver police officer suggested in 1998 that the department should issue a public warning about the possibility that a serial killer was in the Downtown Eastside. But, other officers strongly objected to Kim Rossmo’s suggestion, so the department instead issued a news release saying police did not believe a serial killer was behind the disappearance of so many missing women. Rossmo cited the 1998 incident during his wrongful dismissal trial as an example of how certain managers failed to accept him as a senior officer.

However, Downtown Eastside groups that help prostitutes in the area are defending the Vancouver police department’s handling of an investigation into the disappearance of the 31 women. “There was a unit set up and a number of officers worked incredibly diligently,” said Judy McGuire, chairwoman of Women’s Information Safe House [WISH], a drop-in centre for sex trade workers. “The police obviously took [the investigation] very seriously and acted on it on a lot of fronts.”

McGuire said it was “common knowledge” that sexual predators were operating in the area and that police tried to insure the prostitutes knew that. “A lot of officers were getting the word out that women were going missing [and] that sexual predators were out there. Whether they should have issued a particular notice, I don’t know.”

John Turvey, director of the Downtown Eastside Youth Activities Society, agreed. “I’m not criticizing the Vancouver police department’s handling of the situation. The whole profile of their investigation was a public warning. And I say it’s more likely that there was more than one man involved.”

Meanwhile, Detective Scott Driemel, the department’s media liaison officer, said Thursday that he can’t comment on Rossmo’s allegation because the matter is before the courts. Asked if police deliberately ignored Rossmo’s warning, Driemel said there was no hard evidence of a serial killer at the time and that no bodies have turned up. However, he said a joint RCMP/VPD task force is still investigating the possibility. “We’re not going to rule that out, no.” Police Chief Terry Blythe also refused comment, saying he will testify at the civil case next week.

Rossmo has testified that his opinions were ignored because some senior officers never accepted his promotion in 1995, by then-police chief Ray Canuel, from constable to detective-inspector in charge of the geographic profiling unit. He said he was terminated five years later and is now suing the Vancouver police board and Deputy Chief John Unger for wrongful dismissal from his $120,000-a-year job.

Rossmo invented geographic profiling, a computerized system to track serial crime, while studying criminology at Simon Fraser University, where he received a doctoral degree in 1995. He was the first police officer in Canada to receive a PhD.

Rossmo said he liked being a police officer and worked hard to achieve his education — he earned his PhD while working as a full-time beat patrol officer — and tried to contribute to his profession with his profiling system, which attracted international attention and won awards for the police department.

Part of the reason Rossmo feels he was never accepted by some senior officers was because he cooperated with former police chief Bruce Chambers, an outsider hired in 1997 whose contract was not renewed two years later. He said members of the old boys network weren’t happy with the appointment of Chambers, who had been the police chief in Thunder Bay, Ontario. He said the major crime squad asked for his help only once and the sex offenses squad only a few times.


14 Responses

  1. Kirk,

    Didn’t Rossmo come to Lafayette to help solve the serial rapist case?

  2. Dr. Rossmo is a professor at Texas State University in San Marco Texas. This is about an eight hour drive from Lafayette. I think he lived in Wash. DC at the time of the serial rapist. Interesting to note that he lost the lawsuit. It seemed like he was right but fell victim to the good old boy network.

    The SK he referred to that his bosses refused to acknowledge is William Pickton. He is the one that fed the women to his hogs

  3. I thought that name seemed familiar!
    In Lafayette, Rossmo and lead investigator McCullan “Mac” Gallien walked the city’s streets for three straight days, revisiting the crime sites. Then Rossmo produced a computer-
    generated printout that resembled a tie-dyed shirt; its bands of color — from cool violet to hot yellow — told police, essentially, where to look first. That narrowed the hunting area to half a square mile, and reduced the pool to a dozen suspects who lived in that zone. Investigators were buoyed. But the bubble burst when, one by one, each of the suspects was cleared based on DNA evidence.


  4. Kirk….has Rossmo returned your call? I would LOVE to hear what his take is on the JDP situation.

  5. Rossmo would have a field day down here! lol
    Too bad he wouldn’t come down here and assist in the investigation!

  6. Well….maybe someone could write to him and fill him on what is known….just see if would give a little general feedback….off the record. (hint, hint jfd)

    Man…I WISH he could get involved in this case…I bet it would be a couple of books worth LOL. I bet him and Kirk could probably bust the case wide open.

  7. He returned my phone call and left a voice message and I called him back and left him a voice message so right now we are playing phone tag. I did write him a rather lengthy letter explaining the circumstances and asking for his intervention. Since he invented geographical profiling with computer generated images I believe he could be instrumental to solving this case or at least selecting a possible list of suspects.

    He has an excellent track record. As RR noted, Rossmo lost that case and I believe that Rossmo knew he would lose the case but it is a matter of public record now so alot of times it doesn’t matter whether you win or lose but whether you achieve your objective. A judge once told me that and it seems to be a correct analogy.

    Perhaps if several people flood Rossmo with letters like they did with AMW, then his curiousity will peek and want to intervene. Remember that desperate situations call for desperate measures.

    jfd61 has a great memory: Dr. Rossmo was the one that solved the case in Lafayette, Louisiana regarding serial rapist Randy Comeaux. FYI, Randy Comeaux was a police officer in Lafayette, Louisiana and was a 20-year veteran of the Lafayette Police Department. If you google his name, you locate the information and how Rossmo successfully geographically determined the residence responsible. It’s very interesting reading.

  8. Also FYI, Randy Comeaux is in protective custody with former Police Officer Phil Karam. Phil Karam is the one who shot and killed a Jennings Police Detective named Kenny Guidry and his wife Christine. Mr. Karam also shot now police chief Johnny Lassiter but Lassiter survived. Karam also shot and killed another police officer that responded to the incident named Burt Leblanc. Karam was sentenced to life in prision without possibility of parole.

    • Good grief….that’s a lot of shooting!!! Did Karam ever state why he shot them?

  9. Here’s an article but I can’t find the original in the Acadiananow newspaper.

    Retired Police Officer Kenneth Guidry and his wife, Christine
    Police Officer Burt LeBlanc
    Phillip Karam, indicted for first-degree murder of three,
    as well as five counts of attempted first-degree murder
    JENNINGS, Louisiana
    –(AcadianaNow)–Accused multiple-killer Phillip Karam on Monday pleaded innocent by reason of insanity to charges of first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder.


  10. lol…thanks g8trgirl but I think Kirk can get the ball rolling!…Then he could provide us all with information to write to Dr. Rossmo and help him get motivated!
    It might take a few letters to get him to bite, so to speak!

  11. Here is an email that I’ve located for Dr. Kim Rossmo.

    CCJR Research Laboratory
    Texas State University
    San Marcos, TX
    Primary Contact: Professor Kim Rossmo
    E-mail: kr13@txstate.edu

  12. Well; thank you, Kirk! I’ll have to start writing now huh?
    I sure hope others will write along as well!
    We all need to make this a group effort!
    Please email Dr. Rossmo to get him to take some part in this investigation! WE CAN DO THIS!

  13. Rossmo is an idiot who seriously detracted from the Vancouver
    missing women case by fingering the wrong guy for the wrong
    reasons and sticking to his guns.


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